Control malfunction? The Veron Bice family is saddened by the loss of our founding partner, Rock Palermo. No preliminary cause has been given yet, on the deadly plane crash that took the lives of Palermo and Clements. I only read that the witnesses saw the bottom of the aircraft with no rotation and thought flat attitude. We appreciate everyone's prayers Clements was a financial planner with Global Asset Management. Nepal air crash: Indian passenger's video caught plane's last moments Figure 1 shows the end of the recorded flight track and the accident location. He was simultaneously their biggest cheerleader and real life superhero. On February 2, 2021, at 1744 central standard time, a Cessna 182, N4765N, was destroyed when it was involved in an accident near Hackberry, Louisiana. Cameron Parish and Calcasieu Parish authorities worked throughout the night investigating the crash and will turn over the investigation to Federal Aviation Administration investigators from Baton Rouge and a National Transportation Safety Board team out of Dallas. Another partial owner of the plane told investigators that the pilot had just bought a share of the aircraft and was accumulating flight hours to get rated for complex and high-performance planes, according to the report. The engine sustained significant impact damage and was saturated with mud. Plane Crashes | Airplane Crashes | AP News I think its a possibility that needs to be explored by people who know a whole lot more about it than I do. An obituary for Rock Palermo can be found HERE. This is certainly one of the most mysterious 182 crashes in recent history. (AP) A pilot and a passenger in a small airplane were killed when the plane crashed in a rural area near North Platte in central Nebraska, officials said. he always worked hard. Palermo was flying a Cessna 182 like one he owned, still parked at a local hangar. Cameron Sheriff: Two bodies recovered from plane crash near Hackberry, LSU WR Malik Nabers arrested in New Orleans; prosecutors refuse to charge with condition, Road closed following fire at Entergy substation, Charges upgraded for suspect arrested in deadly shooting, police say, Health experts, former athletes respond to NCAAs proposal to reduce game time and plays. He served as secretary of the board of the Lake Charles Regional Airport Authority. It may have required tools to get it out of the ground. You have permission to edit this article. Wednesday afternoon, a procession was held as Palermo was brought to a Jennings funeral home, click here for more. Port Allen Pelicans basketball team soaring toward fourth-straight state title, Sample duo leading Scotlandville into playoffs, For help accessing the WBRZ-TV Public File, contact: Joey Verrett at, LSU gymnastics club meet brings tourists to downtown Baton Rouge. Speaking with Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson, KPLC reports that Johnson said the bodies are believed to be Rock Palermo and Richard Don Clements. The bodies are believed to be. Pallbearers are Todd Ammons, Kirk Clements, Bob Harp, Joseph Pousson, Kevin Robbins, and Henry Riquelmy. To day & Tonight : The Temperatures across the Friday PM Forecast: starting weekend cooler then trending warmer. Rock Palermo and Don Clements were killed in a plane crash near Hackberry, on Tuesday, Feb. 2, 2021. Findings Released in Fatal Plane Crash That Killed Morris County Pilot This proposed AD would require inspecting the tailcone and horizontal stabilizer for corrosion and cracks and repairing or replacing damaged parts as necessary. That person told investigators he was in the back seat during a training flight on Feb. 1, and the man had done well on flight maneuvers. He's blaming the crash on the theory that the three-bladed prop at idle created a flat disc effect that stopped air flow to the elevator and recovery from a stall.I know about a three-bladed prop having a flat disc effect at low throttle from my experience with giant scale model planes. These bloated agencies are primarily in the business of keeping their empires intact and in remaining on covid vacation as long as possible. Don graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Accounting from Louisiana Tech University. File photo of police lights (iStockPhoto). Rocks friends numbered in the thousands, and the family wishes it could acknowledge everyone who impacted Rocks life. Navy pilot from Lake Arrowhead presumed dead in jet crash (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. The plane, a single-engine Cessna 182 four-seater, crashed on a small island between Hackberry and Big Lake, near Pete Seay Circle. Louisiana authorities had identified the pilot earlier as Richard Don Clements and his instructor as Rock Palermo. He was preceded in death by his father, Joseph R. Palermo, Jr. Rock delighted in all things involving his family. All rights reserved. 2 engine failed after takeoff. In July of 1973, the National Transportation Safety Board ruled that Clemente's DC-7 was 4,200 pounds overweight, and that it had not been flown in over four months. Answer: He didn't find it. The third blade was recovered at the crash site, just not by the "NTSB" Who ever recovered the airplane did not do a thorough enough job. Small plane crash kills Calcasieu Parish Sheriff's Office pilot - WBRZ Romanian billionaire Dan Petrescu dead in plane crash near Milan Then the day of the accident, Clements completed a one-hour flight around 2:30 p.m. in the plane as an insurance policy requirement without any complications. Visitation will be at the church from 12:00-3:00 pm. Mancuso apologized for his demeanor and outburst of emotion during the conference. ADVERTISEMENT. NEW ORLEANS The pilot who died in a Feb. 2 plane crash in Louisiana had just bought a share in the aircraft, and the other man killed in the crash was his instructor, the National. Records show that the day's first flight ended about 2:36 p.m. HACKBERRY, La. Kilimanjaro. When that happens, if you come out of the botched slow roll, you level out traveling in a direction at an angle of about 50 t0 80 degrees from your original course in the direction opposite of the direction of the attempted roll. 60K views, 69 likes, 95 loves, 363 comments, 164 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from KPLC 7 News: Calcasieu Sheriff holds news conference after deadly plane crash near Hackberry. Clements, 61, was flying alone from Alberta, Canada, to California on Feb. 22, 2015. The descent then increased rapidly. And he was good at all three of them.. The Global Asset Management Group family is saddened by the loss of our dearest friend and colleague, Don Clements. Hackberry, LA (KPLC) - The National Transportation Safety Board has released the report on its investigation of a deadly plane crash in Hackberry. The Untold Story of Roberto Clemente's Plane Crash Litigation The wings had separated from the fuselage and were crushed aft to the rear wing spar. Well, if the cause is "something else" there is zero chance that we'll find out anything about it through a non-existent investigation by the NTSB or the FAA. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. Beefier police presence planned at football game after BRPD chief got into scuffle while making arrest near campus. Many parts and pieces were left behind at the crash site, including the third blade!! AGENCY:Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), DOT.ACTION:Notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM).SUMMARY:The FAA proposes to adopt a new airworthiness directive (AD) for all Textron Aviation Inc. (Textron) Models 180, 180A, 180B, 180C, 180D, 180E, 180F, 180G, 180H, 180J, 180K, 182, 182A, 182B, 182C, 182D, 185, 185A, 185B, 185C, 185D, 185E, A185E, and A185F airplanes. The plane took off again about 5:13 p.m. and crashed about a half-hour later. The Martin 404 aircraft was heading to . The impact crater is 15 feet deep and wings were crushed aft to the rear wing spar.Can't crush wings rearward like that or crater that deep coming in level. Dive overspeed certainly could toss the blade. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. The 1972 Puerto Rico DC-7 crash was an aviation accident that occurred on December 31, 1972, in Carolina, Puerto Rico. I had a nearly half-scale Spacewalker that weighed only 25 pounds. The family respectfully asks that visitors wear masks and practice social distancing, adhering to local regulations regarding COVID-19. "HACKBERRY, La. I forgot to mention that the model Spacewalker with the three-blade prop would immediately recover and glide normally if I shut the engine off, too. An uncontrollable dive in an otherwise intact 182 certainly brings the elevator performance into the picture.Thanks for including the link to the FAA's "Dirty Dozen" of human-factor issues related to maintenance practices - good reading for 182 owners. Flight instructors consider Palermo a friend, mentor and best pilot Bold criminal secretly relaunched massage parlor prostitution ring as he cut a Federal, local dollars at work clearing waterways in EBR. These are the ones that really concern me. Both Thompson and Alex Kerbow were trained by Palermo to be commercial pilots and flight instructors. His love for the Calcasieu Parish Sheriffs Department enabled him to serve his community as Captain of the Aviation Unit.Rock graduated from LSU Law School in 1992 and from LSU with a bachelors degree in 1987. It's really hard to get a C-182 out of CG. If so, the wreckage would bear witness to that once the mud is removed. I suggested this in comments a couple of other places, and every time I've gotten ripped on about how wrong I was, and I probably am wrong, but I had a gut feeling about this when I first heard of it, two guys in a modern regular nothing special airplane doing minor training, returning to the airport, aircraft was 4,000 AGL then inexplicably nosedives into the ground, severe clear visibility calm winds, no obvious weather or mechanical reason for the crash. They were aboard a 1979 Cessna 182Q, of which Clements had recently become part owner of.. Wednesday afternoon, a procession was held as Palermo was brought to a Jennings funeral home, click here for more. HACKBERRY, La. Like I said, I am a human being. To reach the newsroom or report a typo/correction, click HERE. The plane impacted soft, muddy ground near Hackberry, causing a crater that extended 15 feet deep and covering the majority of the plane. The plane took off again about 5:13 p.m. and crashed about a half-hour later. 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The NTSB also declared that the plane's crash was the result of "extensive internal failure of the inboard left engine" during . Dr. Kevin Dupke, the Cameron Parish coroner, said he was at the crash site Wednesday with federal investigators and could not confirm the second mans name. Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry on Tuesday, Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancuso announced Wednesday. The youtube guy's 3rd dramatic video came out but has no photo or any mention about the missing blade. Little did they know but nine (9) years later, in 2002, Nancy, Don and their two children, Will and Mary Kathryn would become devoted members of First United Methodist Church in Lake Charles. Fatal flight: full fuel and two heavy guys in the front. The FAA is proposing this AD to address the unsafe condition on these products.DATES:The FAA must receive comments on this proposed AD by June 29, 2020. The grieving families need the analysis to be done on that blade. The airplane reached about 4,500 ft above ground level (agl), as the airspeed decreased. JohnsontoldKPLC-TV that the second occupant, Richard Don Clements, was believed to be a student of Palermos. On Feb. 2, 2021, an aircraft went down, killing both men on board, Rock Palermo and Don Clements. Because of this, some have theorized that a propeller failure is to blame for this accident.Losing a blade in flight, with the 3-blade, constant speed propeller rotating at 2400-2500 rpm would likely cause a vibration so violent, it could easily render the pilots unconscious and/or damage the airframe/elevator so severely that the airplane would not be controllable.If only we could go through the maintenance records and see when the constant speed propeller was last serviced or overhauled.I'm sure the NTSB will figure it out, but we'll just have to wait. No words exist to describe the void that will be left by Rocks absence. He was a partner in the firm of Veron, Bice, Palermo & Wilson in Lake Charles, and he was a founding member of the Judge Albert Tate Inn of Court. Probably doing some night flying just to stay current. Accused murderer cleared by Baton Rouge jury after representing himself in court, released from jail, School accused of ignoring sexual misconduct of student later arrested in high-profile rape case. Authorities first got a call around 5:47 p.m. Tuesday of a plane flying low, then disappearing, Johnsons said. Bold criminal secretly relaunched massage parlor prostitution ring as he cut a Federal, local dollars at work clearing waterways in EBR. Don, a Certified Financial Planner CFP professional, had been active in investing and financial planning since 2002. He was a certified flight instructor and passed on his joy of flying to many. During training, broker was in the back seat with the two in the front. Rock touched many, many people and this is about as tough a loss as you can get for this office and this community, Mancuso said. The plane, an Aerofab Lake LA-4-250, hit trees and terrain shortly after takeoff around 8:48 p.m. on Tuesday, Sept. 8, the report said. Cameron Parish and Calcasieu Parish authorities worked throughout the night investigating the crash, but are turning over the investigation to a Federal Aviation Administration crew out of Baton Rouge and a National Transportation Safety Board team out of Dallas. They're not "investigating" anything. This is the type of crash that likely catches LOTS of self-aware pilots' attentionInre your (Winchman's) observation/question noted in the 1st paragraph, writing as a (never-used-for-income) aerospace-engineering-degreed, ~2600-hr glider-only pilot who also 'messed around w. RC gliders', one 'obvious difference' between RC power planes and full-sized ones is what I'll call 'prop-disc-area/mass ratio' differences, with the RC 'ratio' being considerably higher than that for man-carrying (182) equivalents. The Global Asset Management Group family is saddened by the loss of our dearest friend and colleague, Don Clements. Two witnesses told investigators that the plane plunged nose-down, without any rotation. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. BATON ROUGE, La. CNN Five people who worked for an environmental response consulting firm were killed in a plane crash Wednesday in Little Rock, Arkansas, while on their way to a metal factory explosion site. BATON ROUGE - Friday, the LSU Tigers participated in the Podium Challenge, a gymnastics club meet featuring teams from California, Washington and George Washington Universities. Don't get taken in by the constant criticism of NTSB and FAA efforts. woman accused of using aunts debit card for 136 DoorDash orders held on preset $18 million bond, Juvenile injured after homemade pipe bomb detonated, police say. Rock Palermo and Don Clements were killed in the crash, Johnson said. The plane, a single-engine Cessna 182. China Eastern plane crash: What we know (and don't) so far - AP NEWS HACKBERRY, La. 1 LSU's big win over Butler. Dockets reflect additional in-depth efforts made between initial examination and completion of the investigations.The nonsensical "flat disc effect" story is on par with the critic's untrue claim about finding the missing blade from this 182 or the untrue claim that the pilot of N3RB murdered a co-pilot. Cameron Parish and Calcasieu Parish authorities worked throughout the night investigating the crash, but are turning over the investigation to a Federal Aviation Administration crew out of Baton Rouge and a National Transportation Safety Board team out of Dallas. Louisianaauthoritieshad identified the pilot earlier as Richard Don Clements and his instructor as Rock Palermo. Investigating accidents and making cogent, helpful recommendations is the NTSB's job. He serves on the LSU Law Center Trial Advocacy faculty. CG was okay. The report said two of the propeller's three blades were on the hub at the nose of the plane, but the third was not found. NTSB should already know if that was evident.Still a head scratcher. If that happened, NTSB examination of the connection points in the elevator controls for lost fasteners will find one. You are misinterpreting your RC observations.Aircraft would be falling out of the sly every day if throttling back blanked the elevator.The man actually is off on a crazy idea, but nonsense on youtube always finds devoted followers. "Two witnesses observed the airplane in a rapid descent with the nose pointed at the ground. (KPLC) . I hope the the NTSB will be able to determine a cause other than undetermined loss of control. Spokane police video captures emergency response to Michael Clements' crash. The Tigers beat out No. Tonight & Tomorrow: Beneath clear skies, thermometers Friday AM Forecast: Wind Advisory this morning, clear and sunny this afternoon. Think about the circumstances that would fit with acceptance of not finding the missing blade.Examination of the recovered prop hub must have clearly indicated that the blade was thrown during flight, not broken out during impact. In the hours after Nepal's deadliest plane crash for 30 years, a video went viral in India - it showed one of the victims, Sonu Jaiswal, livestreaming from the plane just seconds before the crash. They are certain of Palermos ability to handle any emergency. Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancuso spoke at a press conference on Wednesday morning. Date & Time: February 2, 2021, 17:44 Local, Flight Conducted Under: Part 91: General aviation - Instructional. The autopsies of the victims reported the cause of death for both was multiple injuries sustained from the crash. Straight line from where? Visualize being the FAA rep on scene for parts recovery when the hub was pulled up with one blade missing. Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, KPLC reports. There was a small plane crash near Hackberry, LA on Tuesday, February 2, 2021. Watch the 2 Your Health report for Thursday, Watch the 2 Your Health report for Tuesday, Crawfish Tracker: Signs of life (and price drops). Based solely on the description of the situation, sounds to me like they decided to try to do a slow roll and screwed it up. He is survived by his wife, Nancy, and their children, Mary Kathryn and Will. When the last jumper goes out or you're doing a hammerhead stall in a glider and the aircraft is simply falling out of the sky, pointed straight down at the ground, you get comfortable waiting for the wing to start flying before easing back on the elevator. 5 killed in Arkansas plane crash while en route to scene of a fatal Cameron Sheriff: Two bodies recovered from plane crash near Hackberry, La. No matter how much his soul hates the NTSB, only a cruel ghoul would leave the wreck site without making sure the blade got into hands-on possession of the local FSDO. Don was passionate about helping clients prepare financially for their best life possible. Daniel Dal Zennaro/EPA-EFE/Shutt. Thursday marks two years since deadly plane crash that killed Palermo I'd expect the model to be MUCH more sensitive to 'prop-disc-effects' than the man-carrying versionwhich is not to suggest they don't exist for a full-sized C-182. Don was dearly loved by the entire Shaddock family, numerous relatives and friends. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. All rights reserved. Palermo was an attorney for the Calcasieu Parish Sheriffs Office, they said. Honorary Pallbearers are William Don Clements, William Edward Shaddock, Jr., Stephen Gorham Shaddock, William Edward Shaddock II MD, Brian Ray Jones and William Craig Jones. Either the pilots made no control input to the elevator or it was mechanically disconnected or impeded.There is a remote possibility that a thru-bolt vibrated out of a connection near the yoke and forward elevator bellcrank, having spun off it's castellated nut due to a omitted cotter pin.What source of vibration could suddenly finish shaking loose an unsecured control connection as they recovered from a practice stall? NTSB releases report on deadly plane crash that killed Rock - MSN Other questions:subscriberservices@theadvocate.com. well the only thing to attempt if it disconnected is nose up elevator trim, if that is working, but if you are pointed straight down, that might not have enough time to work.
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