One BB fewer per 9 and hes right around peak Jacob deGrom. I will let you do the math. But not to worry, I did that for you. If Strider had 1.169 time on the MLB roster, then hed be a candidate for Super-Two next year, but hes got 1.003, so he wouldnt ever be classified Super-Two unless they send him down. Generally not a fan of BTVs valuations, and your comment that the site is a general reference for trade values followed by They are off on a lot of things is a solid reason why I believe the site shouldnt be used as a factual source. The Braves will have a formidable starting rotation with Strider, Max Fried and Kyle Wright for years to come. @ice. Now lets say you call Ticketmaster and they tell you that you will get one of the four tickets, but you dont know which one until you get to the ball game. Nothing disingenuous about that. The Braves made this deal on the assumption that Strider will both be Top 2 in ROY voting, giving him an extra year of service time, and Top 5 in Cy Young voting giving the team an extra draft pick. Look at post-season history over the last twenty or thirty years, and youll see the Braves usually getting the day games. Do you have a sports website? The 21-year old made the transition from the bullpen to the starting rotation. His third career outing was his most dominant at the Major League level as Strider's strikeouts came on fastballs clocked at 99.2, 100.3, 100.3, 99.8 and 99.8 mph. Thats $47M making his free agent year more like $28M with a $22M option. Frieds totals so far are $3.5M, $6.85M, and a potential $12.2M, which is $22.5M in arbitration through three passes at this point. . Lets say Strider goes to every All-Star game for the next 6 years, wins two Cy Young awards, finishes top 10 every other season, and avoids injury. All logos are the trademark & property of their owners and not Sports Reference LLC. We will gladly take him, throw in 20 million of his salary as well since you feel as though youve overpaid for him? By 9:30 a.m. You are also assuming he doesnt fall off a cliff statistically like Trevor Rogers this year where he went from a 2.64 ERA to 5.47 ERA or for the analytical types he went from a 2.55 FIP (2021) to 4.36 FIP (2022). The Braves are taking the approach knowing that not all of these deals will pay out, including Striders. Brilliant. October 1, 2021 Yes, the poor ownership of the past is directly related to the problem but that teams problem going forward will always been the fan support. Youd think some of these young Braves players would want to bet on themselves by waiting a few years. Im pretty sure these always lean more favorably to position players. Thats before considering a slate of arbitration-eligible players headlined by lefty Max Fried, whos projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn more than $12MM in 2023. Spencer Strider: . This new contract not only finally topples that dated mark (in decisive fashion), it also surpasses the established extension records for pitchers with two to three years of service time (Blake Snells five-year, $50MM deal) and even with three to four years of service (Sandy Alcantaras five-year, $56MM deal). Braves should stay as far away from Correas mercenary thoughts (and bad back) as possible. Spencer Strider - Stats - Pitching | FanGraphs Baseball Spencer Strider Atlanta Braves Age: 24 Bats/Throws: R/R 6' 0" / 195 P Quick Look 2022 Pitch Summary: FA: 67% SL: 28% Prospects Report. Doubt the Sox are much happier w/Story, but Red Sox fans would know much more about that than I do. Short and skinnier pitchers dont hold up well, as a general rule. If thats true, the Braves would essentially be punting their $20M financial gain on his first FA year and option year. Why would Swanson get Story or Baez money? Has to be mostly geographic. However, blocking some types of cookies may impact your experience of the site and the services we are able to offer. From pursuing his hobbies to rebuilding his arm action and. Really mature young man. That kind of evaluation has gotten the Tigers and Red Sox stuck w/those two. Braves righty Spencer Strider has been put on the 15-day injured list with a strained oblique muscle. Doubtful, Strider was just crying and nobody in NY gives a fk what he says. Too much money for a mediocre pitcher with one good year. @BaseballIsLife Thats not what the rule is. Not the other way around. This was a pretty high gamble on the risk/reward scale. in Columbus, OH Enjoy the Braves playoff run while you whimper about what could have been for your Mutts. Im a huge mets fan but the braves are the best run organization in baseball by far. Im curious how the bonuses would impact arbitration. Only a bust if he needs TJ or other major surgery in a year or two. Be disappointed if you are going to be anything Braves fans because soon youll see when he falls short of expectations, which is anything short of him becoming Pedro Martinez and hes no Pedro! The Braves said Tuesday they would push back Strider's next start in the hopes of avoiding a trip to the IL. Strider has an 77% chance of avoiding it. There is a reason pitchers are not given long term deals because it is more risky than giving those deals to hitters because of injury and even then, the hitters rarely justify the extensions. Albies was banged up this year but his $35M contract was earned in basically a year and a half. Spencer Strider has a net worth of $1,167,934. I get it on the scheduling side by MLB but come on. Im sure Ill get roasted with comments on letting Shewmake run with SS but Im trying to be reasonable. Its called creative license. Edwin Diaz, NYM. Makes it more sustainable to retain this core group long term. We have tools and resources that can help you use sports data. You are assuming that Strider wont be Top 2 in ROY voting. Again, he IS a Super Two. While Steve offers a hypothesis of free agent years costing $40M or more annually, the reality is Scherzer may be the best pitcher of his generation, Kershaw and Verlander included and his $40M was clearly an overpay, evem on a short deal. The inability to stream in market is a significant issue. Hes played every regular season game but 2 over the last 3 years. He will earn $1 million per season in 2023 and 2024, $4 million in 2025, $20 million in 2026, and $22 million per season in 2027-2028. Login Here. Hes a big union guy. Later in the season, he missed the season due to a torn UCL, which necessitated Tommy John surgery. Data Provided By We cant complain about how a big corporation treats people and not acknowledge when they get it right. And Patrick Corbin with the Yankees. He could easily see $17m, 2om after this down year, then 28m. There are way too many moving pieces to just guarantee blowing past the luxury tax. So with that logic, lets use his first two years of arbitration to show how much of an overpay the Strider deal is because Ohtani only got like $8.5M for year 1 and 2, with him being a full-time hitter as well. Browse our online application for MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, EPL, or MLS player contracts, salaries, transactions, and more. Strider was the NL Rookie of the Year runner-up to Braves teammate Michael Harris II. But theyre the ones winning Championships while Im sitting at home typing on my laptop, so my opinion doesnt mean much. That is less than average, but in line with some long term deals for FA. Is your life so empty that you pore over comments in three week old articles in search of targets for your insults? For everyone that doesnt get why this contract is bad. Matt Harvey was better at this stage of his career. Neither Strider nor Harris II were ranked in the top 100 prospects by the media outlets that MLB is using to qualify rookies for increased service time and teams getting extra draft picks. and, additionally, considering how poorly the Mets played the prior year, anyone predicting the Mets to win the division should get a gold star. If he is 2nd in ROY he is credited with a full year of service so he definitely would NOT be a Super Two. Over the next 6 years youd probably end up paying him $40m anyway, making the cost of your gamble roughly $40m, since presumably youre paying the buy out in 2029. Without me teaching you how trade valuations are correctly built, I cant debate with because I think so, I have to explain how I got that answer. Its still a win for both player and team, but the glut of long-term deals does inflate the Braves luxury ledger more quickly than a year-by-year approach would. THIRD BASE Nolan Arenado, 3B, STL. Judge is a high strikeout guy whose average is buoyed by his homerun total. When Cleveland was playing TB, they had lunchtime games. Partnered with the USA TODAY Sports Media Group|Powered by, Signed a 6 year $75 million contract extension with Atlanta (ATL), including a club option for 2029, Signed a 1 year $710,000 contract with Atlanta (ATL), Drafted by Atlanta (ATL): Round 4 (#126 overall), Drafted by Cleveland (CLE): Round 35 (#1062 overall), Drafted by Atlanta (ATL): Round 4 (#126overall), Drafted by Cleveland (CLE): Round 35 (#1062overall). Position players tend to be better values when extensions are considered, especially in terms of injury risk. This is their first long-term contract extension with a young pitcher. Why? This is why Swanson will end up in LAD replacing Trea Turner, while theyll save 80-100M, reuniting Swansong with Freeman, and more importantly, Charlie. Harris, Strider, Riley, Ronald Acua Jr. and Olson are all signed through at least the 2028 season. The rotation is so strong that 39-year-old Morton, who re-signed for one year and $20 million, could possibly. Per SNY's Andy Martino, the Mets are hesitant to go up to four years if another team offered four at a high salary figure for the two-time Cy Young winner, who opted out of the remaining two years of the five-year . Maybe MLB realizes that they werent actually racist. Spencer Strider's Raw Stuff Is As Good As Any MLB Starting Pitcher. BTV? Beginning in '26, his salary will rise to $20 million, and it will rise to $22 million for the next two seasons. But they know that by having a huge core of players, their total risk will decrease and one or two could be replaced with gem finds at trade deadlines like AA is known for. Time on the injured list doesnt cut into a players service time, neither does short-term bereavement, COVID, or concussion protocols! 6/120 is light, based on his defensive floor. The Braves and Mets both won 101 games. Swanson isnt as good as either of those players. No its not at all about that. Besides, adding a couple extra free agent years at close to market value on a later extension is absolutely worth it if he is indeed for real. You are making a lot of wild assumptions. If Striders arb awards are similar, the Braves are then getting his 2 FA years for 26m, total, without having to buy a long deal including Striders decline. If they succeed in signing both Swanson and Fried, theres virtually no path to avoiding the luxury tax. Plenty that rep for other teams. Pads Fan. Peacock Sunday morning gamessome without announcers; Apple TV Fri night games). If Free Agents make $40M in five years, if hes healthy, if he remains productive. Id lose my crap if Seattle paid Kirby that much and he may have the best control since Greg Maddux with Smoltz level velo. Max Fried who was a Super 2 player is going into year 5, third arb season (1 year of control after 2023) is due to make $12.2M in his second to last trip through arbitration an will have earned a grand total of $22.5M through 5 years. if they waited another year or two like you say, none of this would be possible with the Braves payroll. With Striders salaries now set through the 2028 season, the Braves, incredibly, already have $76MM on the books six years down the line. If thats the case, how do you justify to Max Fried that hes only making $22.5M through his first 5 years in the league? Its a general reference for trade values. Spencer Strider and the Plant-Based Diet When Strider was 19, he was diagnosed with high blood pressure something rather uncommon for a young athlete. Ask Trevor Rogers who faceplanted in 2022. Sure, its risky, but theyve gotten some historic numbers in a rookie season already from Strider. Its just false. For a full look at the Braves' 2022 postseason schedule, click here. Spencer Strider was born in Columbus, Ohio on October 28, 1998. Strider will be Super Two because he will be top 2 in ROY voting and that earns him and extra year of service time in the new CBA. Top 10 hitter in baseball. I wouldnt just throw around $140M in proven assets for $140M in prospects. Same for TrumboJumbo w/the Angels and Yankee Clipper w/the Yanks. No, the alternative is to wait an extra year or two before extending him and then not overpaying for his arb years if/when you do still decide to extend him. Everything is an option, quite honestly, Snitker said. This deal shows me the Braves have enormous confidence in Strider. You do need to add a year of FA to that because 6 years takes them through his first year of FA. The point isnt whether this ends up being a bad deal, its that it follows bad process. Period. They have his first two free-agent years one locked in and the other as a club option. The way they draft and are able to get their players so sign long term for under market value is second to none. Its a win-win. Site occasionally posts comments multiple times. Thats why you compare first full season and Harvey was a lot better. Definitely one of the best pitchers in the game but when it truly matters he crumbled. With pitchers, it seems every one goes down with season ending shoulder, elbow and back injuries. Finally, the greater likelihood is that he probably wont be good enough to outplay what he was given because it was a dramatic overpay by a team that believes pitching will see a steep uptick in annual salary and their stupid contract with Strider is a self-fulfilling prophecy that will probably move the needle 10% across baseball due to this stupid deal. Spencer Strider signed a 6 year / $75,000,000 contract with the Atlanta Braves, including $75,000,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $12,500,000. Thats only free agent contracts. Thats more than just the best rookie season ever. Youre the one who seems to be carried away w/your attempts to belittle Strider. Not me. Before his MLB career, he was a member of the Augusta GreenJackets, Rome Braves, Mississippi Braves, and Gwinnett Stripers. Add in that Yankees more than any other team have their games moved to ESPN and Fox, and its often a challenge to play the game of find the Yankees. Less games on YES, but no reduction in the carriage fee we pay. Not great to sign long term deals to declining players. Research when he was drafted by the Yankees coming out of High School. The extra year of service time for Top 2 in ROY voting means that combined with his full season on the Braves roster in 2022, Strider would be entering 2024 as Super Two eligible and the Braves would have a year less control. Geraldo Quintero, IF 8. This deal will be the one people talk about for 10-20 years as the contract that forced bidding wars for starting pitchers. Prior to his MLB career, he played for minor league teams such as Augusta GreenJackets, Rome Braves, Mississippi Braves, and the Gwinnett Stripers. Spencer Strider sets an Atlanta Braves record with 16 Ks in a game!!!!!! I see it as a risk vs. Spencer Strider's salary is $710,000 per year, which includes a $0 signing bonus. I picked it as a horse race, with the Mets tending to fall apart thanks to an old rotation and an old team, that would have trouble down the stretch. The more Atlanta does this, the higher the likelihood that at least one of these extensions ends up not working out for the team in the long run. Reading through this thread I think most people are missing a huge point. Strider just had one of the best seasons for a rookie starter in the arbitration era. Practically anyone who can browse streaming TV services in the first place can do it. Strider is a lock to be Top 2 in ROY voting which gives him an extra year of service time. Not going to roast you on Sewmake, Mercenary, but imo theres no possibility of him being considered as a viable replacement for Swanson. In fact, you should not make a purchase without a calculator, a phone call to a certified public accountant, and night courses in math at the local community college. Lengthy extensions to position players I get. SARASOTAWhat's happening? And guess what? Or how that extra service time effects Super Two qualifications. Spencer frequently posts images of them hanging around and having the time of their lives. The Braves announced a six-year contract extension for Rookie of the Year candidate Spencer Strider. Strider is expected to start in Game 1 of the series. Bauer was coming off a season with a 4.19 ERA and had a 4.36 ERA in parts of 6 MLB seasons when he first hit arbitration. They are very pleased to pay him. That means his annual salary isnt even going to be justifiable when factoring in the cost of living! Except theyre going up against the Yankees time slots. A Super Two is in the top 22 percent (in terms of service time not performance) of all players in their service class during the offseason that they have at least 2 but less than 3 years of service time. Sunday Funday is here, which means fantasy baseball waiver claims are, too. ~$22M (Arb3) Winning always helps too. Had the Yankees given Judge the same treatment after the 2017 season, we wouldnt be having Judge FA discussions. Almost everyone gave up on the Braves when they were 10.5 games back in the NL East. He actually has only three days in 2021, so hell be close to the bottom of his class. Doubt theres one single reason that either the Braves or Strider decided this was the best course of action other than it benefits both parties. If we remove his first-full season clunker in 2017 and fold in 2022, hes still only at a league-average 100. $35 million is reasonable figure for FA. I was comparing their first full seasons. He also became the first MLB pitcher to record 200 strikeouts and allow fewer than 100 hits. Lets say you are going to a MLB game at your local stadium and for-the-sake-of-argument lets say there are only 4 seat choices: bleachers $15, nose-bleeds (2nd & 3rd deck) $40, between 1st and 3rd base behind the dugouts for $100, and a seat in a suite for $150. Jose Ramirez begs to disagree. Talks a lot about eating correctly, training well, and staying mentally fit. the official stats partner of the NBA, NHL and MLB. Dont know what thats worth, but its not nothin. Strider will make $4 million by 2025, with $1 million going to each of the next two seasons. I sure would like to have more of a track record than a single season. Only one thing is certain: his grandmother is a huge Cleveland Indians fan. $2M (2024) https://www.si.com/mlb/2022/03/11/mlb-collective-bargaining-agreement-details-rule-changes, Players who finish in the top two of Rookie of the Year voting will receive a full year of service time., It says a full year of service time. However, there is also a non-zero chance he gets it between 25 and 29 years old, which makes it more like 50-75% likelihood he could need TJ surgery, again removing the benefit of a long-term deal. He may spend the season in AAA trying to learn how to play defense. Ya this was a massive overpay for his final 2 arb years even if they get 2028 and an option for 29. YOU HAVE 20,000 FOLLOWERS: $100 per post at a $5/CPM. But all of that is irrelevant, if he starts pitching like he did in Game 3 of the NLDS!! Genuinely curious. What does a 29 year old with 1 year of control have to do with a 23 year old with 5 years of control left? Padres fans loved it in 2017 when they locked him up, but carrying the last 3 years of that deal was brutal for them. The standard Super Two pay scale for him for his remaining years is: $0.7M (league minimum) That is a bad assumption. Injuries are 75% covered by insurance Says who? Baezs peak, two 6 rWAR seasons in 2018-19, are something Swanson only came close to in 2022 (though, pro rated, his 2020 would have gotten close). https://community.fangraphs.com/velocity-and-the-likelihood-of-tommy-john-surgery/. If youre Swanson, coming off this type of 2021-22 performance, why would you sign for any less than Trevor Story and Javier Baez received last winter ($140MM over six years)? They tended to evaluate the Mets as having the better team, but not by a lot, but were going (fwiw) with experience and so forth. Obviously Strider is going to take the guaranteed money because that takes care of his family for generations. Cant see AA letting him leave and downgrading the roster when theyre so competitive at every other lineup spot except left field. Swanson is probably walking. Why to constant trashing of the Mets when both teams won 101 games. If he continues to dominate, his arm years wouldve skyrocketed. If hes just a flash in the pan, this contract will hurt the Braves badly from 2026 to 2028. Youre lucky if you get to see them at all. I think that $40M is more like $45M, So they paid him a bonus of $25M in order to obtain a 1+1 extension for $22M + $22M, with a $5M buyout. Then blew it against the Braves and then against the Pads. Jurrjens was a Tiger in his rookie season and put up a 3.68 ERA while striking out just 6.6 per 9 in his first season with the Braves. "There's nobody that has higher aspirations or expectations for performance than myself.
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